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Gokarter Said,
March 17th, 2008 @1:46 am  

Ruck you said “Do not be afraid to create dozens of landing pages for the same offer. As a matter of fact, with automation you could create hundreds of pages”
What is it that you are using to automate this ?
Is it still required with yahoo to have the contact,privacy etc. pages as google requires for QS or is it just good practice to have it on there regardless ?
I’ll ask this cuz I know it will be asked . How many KW max are being used with each Group or ad ?
Thanks Ruck

Rip Said,
March 17th, 2008 @1:49 am  

Do you test an offer on the Google Content Network first and then test it on Yahoo Search before going to Google Search? Or are you just introducing Yahoo Search here to say that it’s good for entertainment type offers, i.e. not the college offer?

For some reason I thought you were going to take the college offer and show how you might develop it.

jinger Said,
March 17th, 2008 @2:26 am  

zip submits works quite well in yahoo…..and I iframe them too :)

March 17th, 2008 @2:42 am  

Ruck, great post. I have a few questions. What do you mean by a “thin” landing page? Just a page that is really simple and to the point, the point being them getting to click through again? Also, when you use a creative in a landing page do you basically just have a page with a title, the creative, and then some text to optimize?

-Andrew

Ruck Said,
March 17th, 2008 @2:48 am  

@ GoKarter - I got my own in-house landing page script. However I know that LPGen and ppc-coach have great automated landing page makers. I didnt want to introduce this until later on when with the advanced tools talk cuz you really dont need them just to get firing.

It’s just good practice to do the privacy and extra pages no matter where you go really.

I’ve said before that some landing pages are just one keyword. It just really depends on what your specifically doing when you start keyword grouping.

@ Rip - Typically I fire the offers on Google content first before Yahoo. Yahoo is where I like to go second. This will just change from person to person really. I know people who swear by starting on MSN first before any others.

I very well could take the college offer and develop it. However since most people like an idea of what I had success with, I went with the entertainment offers in Yahoo.

But there is a development section ste-by-step coming in the forum. I thought I would work personally with the people who wanted particulars on offer to offer.

@ Jinger - Thats Awesome! Personally I have never lasted more than a week with an email or zip submit. If you say its working, by golly I’ll have to break the iframe again.

@ andrew - yea a thin site is really just the 1 page with no other links and very little content. Just enough to slip under the radar. But yea, A good title (I like red and black coloring) and then a small write up (with keywords) under the text. A lot of this can be automated with the tools mentioned above. ppc-coach has a landing site generator and its fantastic but you guys might want to hold tight a bit. I just got a pm from one of our forum members who has developed something I thought was really cool. If he decides to sell it, it will be cheaper than whats out there (looks like). We’ll just have to see what he comes up with.

imprincess Said,
March 17th, 2008 @3:30 am  

Hey Ruck —
Good to see you posting again. Sorry you had such a rough week. This is another excellent post, thanks for giving us the lay of the land with Yahoo. Take it easy.

jinger Said,
March 17th, 2008 @5:02 am  

Yep, it even converts better on yahoo than google for me. Could be an anomaly, but I’ve been direct linking with Yahoo before they even started allowing it, with 5 bars! I only recently began iframing, nothing changed though.

Yahoo’s “QS” is quite laxed compared to google. They don’t seem to care much about landing page (obviously), but what matters to them mostly seems to be relevancy. Relevant ADs and Keywords, and especially CTR. DKI works best for me, and never bothered with yahoo content since i heard they sucked.

March 17th, 2008 @7:49 am  

Hey Ruck,

Sorry if I misread something and this has already been answered, but when you talk about creating multiple landing pages, are they to test to see what different ad copy (titles, text and banners) work or is it to cater to different keywords for different ad groups?
Because if it was just a keyword thing, you can probably get the keyword passed over in the destination URL and dynamically insert it into your ad copy….or do you recommend against that because of Yahoo’s Advanced Match Type and you can’t be sure what keyword is coming through?

Speaking of Match Type…are you getting to that?

Chris Said,
March 17th, 2008 @12:42 pm  

I had no idea Yahoo was so lax on QS. I am going to have to give them a shot for sure…maybe with a ‘3 review’ type page. Thanks.

Ruck Said,
March 17th, 2008 @4:36 pm  

@ Keith - I wasnt really going to go into match type as I gave away the Yahoo Search Marketing PDF but I normally go with standard. You probably could have dynamic landing pages (I use them on google) but normally I use my landing page creator for Yahoo.

I kind of wanted to give just my way of using them here but I would love to talk more of them in the forums. That’s where most of the conversations have been carrying over. I could spend a month just talking about Yahoo.

March 17th, 2008 @4:48 pm  

Seems I’ll have to join the forum after all…

Franklin Said,
March 17th, 2008 @5:48 pm  

Ruck, just wondering….
Do you know if direct linking is allowed in all countries, or just in the US?
According to Rosalind Gardner, a CJ newsletter says:

“…Yahoo! Search Marketing (YSM) has recently updated its editorial policies and will now allow U.S. publishers to direct link to their advertisers…”

You can read the entire thing here:
http://www.netprofitstoday.com/blog/yahoo-search-marketing-now-allows-direct-linking/

The thing is, I’m not in the US….

About CTRs….the higher is obviously the better, but for yourself, a decent one starts from….? 2%? 3%?

Ruck Said,
March 17th, 2008 @6:26 pm  

Hey Franklin,

I am not sure. I have yet to test with direct links with it being so new. However you should be able to sign up for a US advertisers account with Yahoo. I dont know if that helps you or not.

I like a CTR of 2% actually. However with as targeted and nitty gritty as I get, 4-8% CTR’s are not uncommon but volume is a problem.

March 24th, 2008 @1:12 pm  

To a lot of people YSM seems to be a dark beast. There is “some” info about it on the web, but most blogs concentrate strictly on Google AdWords. Personally, I find YSM is best for starting up your PPC career. Also, Affiliates involved in PPC should have offers running in at least the Big 3 (Adwords, YSM, MSN adCenter). If you put your eggs in seperate baskets, you will be less affected by a Google Slap or sudden change in any one of the PPC engines. This will give you more time to react, and your bottom line is better insured.

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