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March 6th, 2008 @9:06 pm  

Excellent excellent stuff! I just learned a lot from this and will probably re-read a few times to absorb it all. Thanks Ruck!

deacon Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:11 pm  

This post was outstanding. Just the type of guidance I’ve been seeking. Can’t wait for the rest of this series. Thanks Ruck.

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:13 pm  

Ahh well,

We are only at the tip here. We have a TON of things to still go ever. Right now we are just looking for a general idea on conversions and whether it will be worth our time or not. It may drive some people mad how much testing I do, but I try to lose the least amount of money and time as possible before I even think about committing to an offer.

Pdaguy9 Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:15 pm  

Jesus bro, this is awesome!

D Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:31 pm  

I have no idea what you mean by domain and variation keywords. Am I buying these domains or targeting them in the content network? What if the sites I think off don’t even exist?

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:37 pm  

When you search Google for the keywords “College Scholarship” you get a list of sites in the natural search results. You take those domains as if the were keywords.

http://www.college-scholarships.com is a keyword. Then you think of variations of it because people mispell and search differently for the domain each time in the search engines. Your not buying them no.

I have no idea what you mean by “sites I think of dont exist”. You search google for keywords then target by search results domains and then you cruise to Alexa and start looking for high traffic and related sites.

It’s cool that you ask this so we can clear it up and I am also going to film a ton of stuff and make a subforum in the PPC boards for it so you can see me perform this stuff.

brchcar1445 Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:38 pm  

Nice Ruck! I have been looking for good advice on PPC and I can see that this is going to be good. I learned more in just this post than I have from the last 3 Adwords ebooks I have read! Thanks for the great content!

Brooks

Yebot Said,
March 6th, 2008 @9:41 pm  

The chief has spoken

March 6th, 2008 @9:46 pm  

Videos would be extremely helpful to show exactly what you mean and how you do it. Thanks Ruck!

March 6th, 2008 @9:48 pm  

Great post, thanks Ruck. I typed “domain variations tool” into Google to see if there was anything that could produce the variations automatically and CashTactics.net came back as the first result! However, SpeedPPC (which you mentioned in that post), seemed a bit expensive. Further down the Google results page was a link to this free tool though: http://www.rianbrooklyn.com/tools/url-to-keyword-tool/ which worked very nicely with these are the primary keywords:
college-scholarships
collegescholarships
college scholarships

March 6th, 2008 @9:57 pm  

Hey Ruck,

That frameset code doesn’t seem to be doing anything for me no matter what URL I specify as the src. Any suggestions?

Yebot Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:08 pm  

@Erik Karey
Try switching the slanted-double-quotes to straight-double-quotes. Probably a Wordpress snafu.

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:16 pm  

Yebot is right. Straight quotes FTW.

XRay Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:17 pm  

Now I know why you said I was starting off on the wrong foot - I completely skipped the 1st step and that probably limited what I was able to think of off the top of my head.

I’m going to read this again and let it sink in to my big head. This is the most indepth breakdown of keyword research I’ve ever read. Thanks for taking the time to teach us this, Ruck - I really appreciate it man.

Ray

March 6th, 2008 @10:22 pm  

Goddamn, this is awesome. It’s like being given the keys to the city.

You’ll be sick of hearing this eventually Ruck, but I can’t thank you enough for all of this info. It’s gonna go great with the tool JerkJr and I came up with last week. I’m already getting ranked in organic searches for my CPA offers, so this PPC course is coming just at the right time to ride the wave.

Rob Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:28 pm  

Ruck–

Can you explain why it matters to have such a precise, long-tail keyword list on the content network? Being as how ads are chosen by contextual page theme, I wouldn’t think the extra words would have much of an effect. In my experience with the content network (and I actually promoted this offer some time ago), I haven’t found long-tail keywords get more targeted traffic than broad generics.

BTW, I stopped promoting this offer and switched to a different scholarship offer because of that silly-ass balloon landing page. I know this is just for show as an example, just wanted to throw in my experience with this offer.

Glued to your blog as always.

chillyd Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:34 pm  

Ruck,

When forming our keywords in the adgroup, are we suppose to do broad, exact, phrase or all.

I never really understood the purpose of exact and phrase if you use broad in the same adgroup.

If you could please explain.

thanks,

Derek

imprincess Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:40 pm  

Working alongside the Ruckster can be a humbling experience, LOL.
I started this on my own, and fired up Keyword Elite right away. Common mistake of the underachievers, right? Your method of starting out with small list and building on it makes good sense.

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:42 pm  

Hey Rob,

Your spot on but I really went after the longtails to show how to break down the adgroups. I wanted to comment to narrow the adgroups as targeted as possible with an ad so that readers will hopefully experience the best opportunity to profit or lose the least amount of money.

The content network is a beast and I’ve spent a lot money on it so only wanted to demonstrate on how I put together adgroups, ads and url variations. In this phase I am only testing. If it seems I can work with it, I would most likely create a completely different content network campaign altogether.

The little unspoken is that Google looks at the first 50 phrases in an adgroup to determine your content network relevancy. I dont know if there is any truth to that but I’ve always just broken them tightly like that.

As for as broad, phrase and exact match since we are only testing I normally just go with broad which is why the adgroups are tight like this for content. If you went with exact then chances are that the volume might not be enough to determine if the offer is worth any more time.

Always test yourself! Dont just take my word for it. I am inviting you to test everything!

As for broad matching in general, I dont do it on Google. Not at all.

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:47 pm  

@ imprincess - I think after awhile you can get to that point, it’s really about you and how you can adapt and focus and know what works and what doesnt. If you dont know that then yes, firing up a keyword tool to put together a huge list is a big reason why most people try PPC and get worked.

We are looking for signs of profitability with spending the least amount of money possible before we engage this head on. At this margin of payout for this type of offer, if you dont really have a good system down then your just handing out money.

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @10:50 pm  

@ webdesign barcelona - Seems like a cool tool although I use SpeedPPC and will be going over it when we get to Search. Efficient PPC is out now and supposedly cheaper short term but has a monthly tag on it.

Generally for testing, I just come up with the variations in my head and use the External Keyword Tool as a helper.

chillyd Said,
March 6th, 2008 @11:08 pm  

I just want to make sure I understand.

For this initial testing we would be looking for 5 adgroups for the intial words you came up with ways, help, money, pay, how. 1 adgroup for the domains and 1 adgroup for misspellings?

Just want to make sure i am following this right and not doing to much for the testing phase.

Derek

Ruck Said,
March 6th, 2008 @11:10 pm  

Not just 5 adgroups no. You can do as many as you want. This whole series of posts are just examples of what I would do. In this example though Derek you are spot on. We chose 5 adgroups.

Chris Said,
March 6th, 2008 @11:27 pm  

Whoa. I’m going to have to go read that again. Then read it again.

Awesome.

March 7th, 2008 @1:22 am  

Ruck,

Would you make an agroup for each “domain” keyword group? If so, what kind of ad copy would be used with domain keywords?.

Thanks,
-Eric

Ruck Said,
March 7th, 2008 @1:41 am  

Yes you would but the adcopy pretty much stays the same. It wont make sense to adjust to the domains. We’ll go further into that tomorrow. The premise of targeting the domains on Content is because the QS whether it exists or not is far more lenient and that’s why its good to test and gobble this up like we are now.

Stan Said,
March 7th, 2008 @2:07 am  

Ruck,

Awesome post! Just confused about one thing. You said by targeting domain keywords like http://www.abc.com ww abc com, etc that you will get low cpc clicks. Why are we able to buy these clicks for so low?

I always thought on the content network that we are competing with anyone else either keyword targeting that page/site or placement targeting it. In your example if some people are targeting the keyword “college scholarship” on the Content Network and bidding $2 a click how would the keyword “college-scholarships.com” compete and get low priced clicks?

The only thing I can think of is that Google rewards us since its possible that the page is optimized more for “college-scholarships.com” than “college scholarship”. Maybe this goes along with the unknown QS on the Content Network.

Ruck Said,
March 7th, 2008 @2:20 am  

Not always low but generally. You answered your own question sort of though :)… It’s because most people dont know about targeting them or just dont do it.

College scholarships and college-scholarships.com are two completely different terms on search or content. I should have just said there wasnt a quality score on Content:)

What matters most on Content is your budget and CTR. I highly recommend testing this out so you can see for yourself.

Distinguishing differences like this domain url targeting as a keyword is a huge reason why a lot of people pay for dirt cheap traffic in the content network. Wait till we get to search and talk about QS, that’s a whole new ballgame.

Also, it wont matter if your page is really optimized or not. Remember I pointed out direct linking and/or iframe? If me or tons of advertisers were not getting away with it EASILY, then I would not have mentioned it to waste anyone’s time.

We could go on about the mythological QS on content but for now and a long time going a higher budget and a decent CTR has kept me away from the impressions phantom.

Stan Said,
March 7th, 2008 @3:11 am  

Thanks for clearing that up Ruck.

But just to clarify, I was not referring to our direct link or iframe page being optimized for “college-scholarships.com”. I meant that the web site/page our Adsense ad actually shows up on might be optimized for “college-scholarships.com” and thus Adwords gives the advantage to our keyword over the others and hooks us with low bids.

Looking forward to the rest of the series you are a machine!

caycole Said,
March 7th, 2008 @3:37 am  

Interesting. I was thinking of it from the ‘pay off your student loans’ aspect. “student debt got you down? enter your email to win ..” etc . So, I Googled it and Alexaed…and got lost on what to do/look for.

I’ll re-read and also look forward to the video. :)

Scott Said,
March 7th, 2008 @3:40 am  

Holy head swirl Batman! Awesome post on how to start doing your initial research and testing. The same methods could be applied/adapted to building for raw SE traffic too, not just PPC traffic.

I see you’re also above 400 on the readers….looks like more are jumping aboard the Ruck Express!

Rip Said,
March 7th, 2008 @5:13 am  

That post pretty much just melted my brain. I don’t understand anything about AdWords, except how to lose all my money to it.

To begin with, why are you using domain targeted keywords on the content network? I may not understand how the content network works, but I thought it was displaying ads based on keywords in the actual sites’ content.

So are people actually making websites that contain domain targeted words like “ww scholarships com”?

This is confusing as hell.

March 7th, 2008 @9:29 am  

I’m confused by that as well Rip. I always thought you were bidding on placement, but then again I always specified the URL’s of the sites that I wanted to show my ads on. And I also paid for impressions rather than clicks so I thought that whoever paid higher for impressions has a better chance of showing up. I also thought that QS was a factor and the better QS the better chance of your ad showing up even if you bid for a lower CPM.
I need to make a trip to the Adwords Learning Center I think.

Ruck, you mentioned that Geo-Targeting to a specific country on Google can’t be trusted but how come Geo-Targeting to specific states can?

So, am I understanding correctly that all ‘domain variation keywords’ belong in their own AdGroup? And what about misspellings? Do you bother with those? Do they belong in their own AdGroup?

You got into depth about keyword research but you say that the prior research is quite important. Why didn’t you go more into that as well? You say it’s a good idea to check out Yahoo Groups or Answers. Can you explain what to look for and what to do with an example of the information that you find?

Thanks Ruck!

tintin Said,
March 7th, 2008 @10:18 am  

Great post Ruck!

Can you just clear up the comment you made?

You said, “I normally just go with BROAD which is why the adgroups are tight like this for content”.

Then you said, “As for BROAD matching in general, I dont do it on Google. Not at all”.

Shouldn’t one of those have been PHRASE? If so which one?

Thanks.

Deb Said,
March 7th, 2008 @1:28 pm  

Ruck,

What a great post. Can you say if there are certain networks that allow adwords more than others? And what wording does it have to say within each offer to allow adwords?

Also if you make a title tag is that above the frame code you gave? Finally, for destination/display url do you have to put in the merchant url in distinction from your own domain?

Debbie

Denise Said,
March 7th, 2008 @1:45 pm  

Ruck, can’t wait for the video. As others have stated, there was a lot of information here. Some seemed more skimmed over than others.

Are you choosing the offer first and then going to Yahoo Groups? Or are you going to groups first and check the volume of people in certain groups and then finding the ad to go with it?

If you are choosing an offer first, how do you know which offer will convert?

solvetheproblem Said,
March 7th, 2008 @2:49 pm  

Ruck,

Can I take a stab at this one?

@Keith Lock
Ruck has said many times that the domain comes into play because in any browser, it is very easy for anyone to forget where the cursor is and type in a domain name (or any of its variations or misspellings) the google search box rather than in the address line. This is why he makes the big bucks…. He exploits common user habits that most of us miss.
Solvetheproblem

Ruck Said,
March 7th, 2008 @3:08 pm  

@ Rip and Keith - Not understanding is why the ones who do are profiting. Try not to dwell on it to hard. People type the domains into the search engines all the time and not the address bar. What comes in the search engines when they do that? Yea! Content Sites with some Adsense sites most likely. If you leave those out, then your leaving money on the table.

March 7th, 2008 @4:01 pm  

@eidyggidogon Thats hilarious…. :)

@Ruck - I never thought to target the domain variations as keywords. My wife always types into google http://www.hotmail.com to get to hotmail. Or http://www.abc.com to get to abc’s website. Great advice!

Another question. What do we set for our initial CPC. How do we determine our CPC. I am setting up an offer tomorrow with 300 a day. I guess I’m just asking if I want to be in places 1-3 or 4-7 or 9-10

Ruck Said,
March 7th, 2008 @4:10 pm  

Hey Collin,

We will get to CPC in a bit but we need everyone on board to understand what’s been said already. Feel free to ask away in the forums though on specific questions man.

March 7th, 2008 @4:55 pm  

Ruck,

This is such an awesome information packed post I am going to have to go back and re-read it several times so that I digest all of the information.

I didn’t realize so much work went in to keyword research. All of the keyword research that I have done wasn’t ever this extensive.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with your readers. I know every one of them are grateful for it.

~Debby

Ruck Said,
March 7th, 2008 @5:10 pm  

Thanks Debby,

Although after getting used to PPC, keywords and having a larger budget sometimes you dont need to go to this extent. I am trying to go to the fullest extent possible here so that everyone understands the importance of keywords, research and tap into the minds of people searching the net. Understanding browsing habits and just throwing a little domain tip out like this tells me that a lot of people may be making harder on themselves than it has to be.

To stay true to my word, I will show you exactly what I mean in the next post with two images from a Content Network Campaign that targets only domains :)

Ren B Said,
March 7th, 2008 @6:59 pm  

Very comprehensive guide on choosing keywords and how to aim an ad campaign. That was one of the best readings I’ve found on the net, thank you so much. :)

Please, keep up the good work, I’ve been learning a lot. :)

March 7th, 2008 @7:25 pm  

@solvetheproblem and ruck

I get why domains are used as keywords, I have been using them myself for quite awhile, that wasn’t my question at all.
Thanks for not bothering with the other questions :)

March 7th, 2008 @7:43 pm  

:) Thanks

MoneyMaker Said,
March 8th, 2008 @9:31 am  

Hey…

I wasn’t able to get the code up there to work.

Not sure if I did something wrong or not, but this seems to work except for a border and an extra scroll bar.

March 8th, 2008 @7:39 pm  

Alright I give up. just download this blank file…

http://www.ericmitz.com/links/blank.html

Ruck, sorry about the last two comments, just delete them, ha.

Alex Said,
March 11th, 2008 @12:00 am  

Hey Ruck,

Thanks for cpa marketing series.

Do you have any explanation for google adwords ‘Inactive for search’ policy?
I used to get really cheap clicks half a year ago for as low as $0.03-$.06 now for all the keywords I have ‘Inactive for search
Increase quality or bid $1.00-$10.00 to activate’. These are 4-6 words search phrases so a low bid is not the case.

Ruck Said,
March 11th, 2008 @12:08 am  

@ Alex - Basically its called a “slap”. Google is not finding your landing page or direct linking relevant enough for your adgroups and keywords. Try optimizing your title, meta keywords and description and the text on your pages for your keywords. It may take a few landing pages depending on how big your keyword list is. Generally for adgroups I like to have a landing page for each one and optimize tightly around the keywords in the adgroup. We will be having a very LONG discussion over Google’s Quality Score.

Alex Said,
March 11th, 2008 @5:39 pm  

Thanks for your comments, Ruck. I will look forward to that “a very LONG discussion over Google’s Quality Score”. :)
As suggested I am testing an amount of clicks my ads will generate on content network but they don’t seem to do well. Actually none of them received a single impression.
What I did was created a separate campaign for content network and 30 ad groups (’alexa method’). Each group has 20+ key phrase variations, so I’ve got 600+ keywords. But again no impressions, and no clicks so far though a day passed already.
My landing page is index.html file in a separate folder on my domain. index.html file has a title and meta tags and the code for an iframe with my affiliate link. I have 2 different ad variations for each ad group.
Does it have anything to do with the content of those ads and key phrases why I don’t receive impressions and clicks on content network?
Could that happen that google can see that there are no same keywords both among key phrases in the ads and in the content of ads?
Thank you.

WebGuy Said,
April 4th, 2008 @2:30 pm  

Can I use profanity here? Because when I read this..

“Not understanding is why the ones who do are profiting. Try not to dwell on it to hard. People type the domains into the search engines all the time and not the address bar. What comes in the search engines when they do that? Yea! Content Sites with some Adsense sites most likely. If you leave those out, then your leaving money on the table.”

It was one of the 4 TIMES reading this series that I’ve said out loud to myself “that’s fucking genius”.

Thanks Ruck

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